banjo, troyan is right here -
' We were not suffering as a member of the EU, Cameron had sorted the benefits for EU citizens,we have our borders, we have our currency, we have rebates, we can act as a passport to the EU we were doing well considering a massive crisis 8 years ago '
The problem with immigrants is from NON EU people.
but as i have already said, it's better to have people living in the UK than not.
let me explain AGAIN to you banjo.
if the UK has 100m people, say 30m illegal migrants (NON EU people).
even i they ALL work cash in hand, it does not matter.
they all still need to eat and drink.
even if they shop in lidl, they still all need to buy food and will be paying VAT on purchased items - which is money for the treasury.
anyone illegal now in the UK, working cash in hand, is not likely to claim benefits because it will flag them up.
they tend to rent rooms in houses off landlords who don't care, as long as they get their rent
pre 2007, i had 3 bulgarians renting rooms off me from burgas.
the all had cash in hand jobs, working in car washes and collecting glasses at two night clubs and shopped in lidl.
they ALWAYS paid their rent on time and NEVER messed me around.
quiet people, worked hard and had 3 jobs each.
i voted to remain because as troyan says here, pre vote day, the UK was doing ok.
i understand that nick voted leave because of the mess the way the EU is running.
it just needs sorting out and it will be sorted out now that we have left.
same as my job in the city.
i told my company i am happy to do all the work for a pay rise from 16k to 25k
otherwise i will leave.
they called my bluff as they didn't think i'd leave.
i left and all the remaining 44 underwriters in my department alone, the day i handed in my notice, all got instant pay rises to stop a chain reaction of people leaving.
it cost them a lot more than giving me 25k to stay.
same with the EU.
they did not want to budge on cameroon's requests for reform as the EU did not think we would leave.
they also called our bluff
so we left and now they are will reform to stop others leaving.
all cameroon was asking if you remember back to pre vote day was a 6 month
ban on paying benefits to people when they first arrive...
i think quite reasonable and not much to ask.
not a reason enough on it's own though nick to vote leave.
nick, if you or anyone on here has ever worked, did you leave a job when you had one problem ? or did you stay and try and sort it out ?
of course, you try and sort it out.
that's what we should have done.
not leave !
i see mat has not answered yet.
my wild guess at mat's answer will be -
i can tell you but then i will kill you ?
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