Why is May using Dyson as a Consultant Government Adviser ?

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Why is May using Dyson as a Consultant Government Adviser ?

Postby FlagHostel » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:13 pm

Don't the Government already have a Business Minister, paid for by Tax payers
money ?

If he is useless, then why on earth is he in this paid position ?

Dyson must be charging a fortune in consultancy fees to the Government.

Anyone know how much ?

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Postby troyan » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:34 pm

This is Donalds point in the US........one of his points is that we trust career politicians to make very important economic decisions when we really should be asking shrewd clever businessmen like Dyson who is both an inventor and businessman, who better to ask advice

Mr Trump is better placed than many to know what it takes to make things work.

politicians very often have multiple agendas not necessarily with the best public outcome in mind

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Postby alfandalma » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:59 pm

I hope this is a joke.
I had the misfortune of meeting James Dyson and assisting with trials of the components of the first vacuum cleaner. He is the most disgusting individaul I have ever come across. He used plastic moulding companies in the midlands and north east to trial components and promised them huge orders if the bought new machinery. He then bought his own machines to start production in Reading and many companies that had bought equipment on his promises went to the wall. Then to top it off he would walk around his factory and fire people he didn't like the look of. Finally taking the manufacturing business to China. As an entrepreneur he has invented absoluytely nothing, his moto is "Take something existing and improve it", Strange as everything he has reinvented is actaully a total rubbish, the vacuum is so powerful on a carpet laid on floor boards it sucks dirt up through the joints, on cememnt floor actually breaks up the screeding. His washing maching entangles and rips clothes, his air screen hand dryer only seems better as so many normal hand dryers are not maintained so they have heating elements not working. If she needs business advice ask Alan Sugar he and Trump at least have something in common.

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Postby FlagHostel » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:36 pm

i agree troyan.

businessmen are better to run the country than politicians.

if may has chosen dyson, what they hell are we paying business ministers for
already out of tax payers money ?

alf,

no it is no joke.

on may's trip to india last week, she took a group of 10 advisers with her.

dyson was one of them

but intersting what you say about dyson.

i dont know anyone who knows him but what you say doesn't surprise me.

typical businessman sneaky little **** sydrome

most are like this.

they use people to get ideas and test things, promising great returns.
then takes the idea himself and develops it elsewhere

steve jobs for apple
the facebook guy

both took other people's ideas and changed them a bit.

which is why i will never buy anything apple or go on facebook

i have a crappy huawei android phone which only cost £20 but works

i agree alf,

alan sugar or peter jones would have been better (he used to be on dragons den)

i have seen programmes on both these people and they seem straightforward

an english guy i know runs a campsite from his house near golden sands
he sent his guests to use a neighbours swimming pool and pay him out of helping out a neighbour.

the following week, he told me the guy had tapped backpackers knowledge of
how they came to varna

he then puts his own house on hostelworld (the biggest booking site for backpackers in the world) and cut out the guy who sent him guests in the first place

now they do not speak to each other and they are neighbours

so it goes on all over the world

backstabbing ***** everywhere

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Postby Mat » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:33 am

alfandalma wrote: his air screen hand dryer only seems better as so many normal hand dryers are not maintained so they have heating elements not working.


All businessmen are exploitative assholes - it is quite literally the job description. I just couldn't abide the sanctimonious little prick supporting Brexit when 95% of the people who work for him are not in the UK. I suppose when you're worth 5 billion you can do what you like.

And those hand dryers are utterly useless. My hands would be as dry if I just held them in front of me for 15 seconds and let the water drip off.

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Postby SheilaP » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:28 pm

He did move his factory to the far east where manufacturing costs are much lower. Perhaps he will pass on this advice to the government..

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Postby mdewey » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:59 pm

In his defence he has invested - and continues to invest - a shed load of money in his campus at Malmesbury in Wiltshire. He says he could employ a load more people - but British kids aren't interested in engineering, preferring instead degrees in media studies, or somesuch useless 'hobby subject', a 50K debt and a job on zero-hours contract in Costa Coffee (I said that last bit, not him).

He pays a new starter with a higher degree around 35K - hardly exploitation.

WRT Singapore (not China) he has always maintained this was because of planning permission problems but that has always been debated.

As for 'walking around and firing people he didn't like the look of', this is of course impossible in the UK due to being illegal, and therefore can be safely filed in the 'complete bo11ocks' folder.

And the campus cafe his an EE Lightning hanging from the roof. Can't put a price on that.

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Postby FlagHostel » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:08 pm

couldn't agree more mat.

here's a man who voted to stay in

95% of his workers are from outside the uk - for cheaper labour

and now he's advising the government the best way for the UK to leave -
when he voted to stay in.

and the business ministers already paid, plus expenses are doing jack s h i t

no wonder may isn't telling anyone what happening yet.

i don't think she know YET

well done thick leave voters.

sounds like you really have got a good team with a good plan to move forward
with

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Postby michaeldon » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:49 am

I don't read the UK press so I know nothing about mr Dyson, but Mat is right, exploitation is the job description for a businessman.

Here ar 2 definitions of exploit:

- make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
- make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

Whilst both can be done in business I prefer my exploits to be of the former type. People are resources just like commodities or money. Hiring departments are even called human resources, so why on earth wouldn't every business " make full use of and derive benefit from (them)"?

From my perspective hearing people complain about exploited staff, especially in the UK which is essentially a socialist country triggers my whinge detector. As usual, people who say this stuff have no idea how to create money on their own and think that both employers and governments for that matter have a limitless trove of treasures, and their only purpose is to find more ways to prevent the whinger from his human rights: Namely having a wage which supports all his material desires.

Please take a look beyond the ends of your noses and see that an employer should owe you nothing more than the conditions written in your employment contract. Any other legal benefits endowed by the law are just a hinderance to the employer and employee reaching an optimal agreement. For example I had a business in Spain that I could not save because the law made it so expensive to let staff go, we were forced to close rather than restructure. And a few months later... government realised too late businesses had folded everywhere and changed the law. Too little too late.

And one more rant, sorry :) Even if Dyson voted stay (Mat said it was the opposite) what difference does that make to his ability to dispense sound commercial advice? He's not a six year old who needs to be taught a lesson. Wouldn't it be petty to deny someone qualified for the job because of a personal opinion?

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Postby mdewey » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:23 pm

Hmmmm...well someone who describes the UK as 'essentially a socialist country' triggers my 'complete idiot who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about' detector.

Having a welfare state and a nationalised health service does not make a country 'socialist'. It makes it civilised.

Also WRT the 'whinge' theme, I've generally found in life people with views like yours generally are the very worst for whinging and snivelling like little girls when they're in eed of help - eg Ayn Rand accepting state healthcare for her cancer, despite the fact in her own wored view she was one of 'the weak' who should have been allowed to die off.

But when it came down to it - no courage of conviction, no spine, and lots of 'do as I say, not as I do'.

I think you're probably cut from the same cloth - a whinger who would happily accept handouts from the state if it suited him, whilst at the same time whinging about how other people are 'socialists' if they do it'.

The long pockets but short arms type.

The kind of behaviour we saw in spades from all those 'free market capitalists' in 2009 who are still receiving massive state aid.


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