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Postby brianj42 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:56 pm

MikeL wrote:Thanks...very good point made and will adjust plans accordingly.

Just goes to show another benefit of forums...being able to put up ideas and plans and have people gauge their practicality before making a mistake. :D

Does anyone know how others who run small hotels/B&B's cope with water or electricity outages when they have paying guests staying?

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Water get a tank fitted like in the UK, Electricity unless you go for an expensive Genny then you are like everyone else, in the dark (pardon the pun). We have a UPS on our pellet boiler and it lasts 2 hours with no electric so the radiators stay on

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Postby VickyC » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:17 am

As an update on my previous posts in this thread and comparing LPG to other sources...

We stuck with the pellet boiler, as we found a specialised maintenance engineer who got it all up and running. I also have a very reliable delivery source for the pellets.

So for the past 2 winters we have used it and find it to be very efficient, clean, warm, hassle free and reasonable to run. We still mainly use our glass fronted stand alone fire in our large open plan lounge with kitchen and only run the central heating around 6 hours in the evenings. It works out fine like that for us as the house is dry, warm and every room heated. The house is still usually warm in the mornings, even in the current temperature. If you have a large hopper feeder you can leave it running for several days and it also self ignites so easy to start and in 10 mis the radiators are hot. Another benefit is you only empty the ash pan 2-3 times a week depending how long you burn it.

I'm glad we did not now convert to LPG as it seems very expensive compared to the pellets.

It does help that we have thermal double glazing with argon gas between the panes and K glass. . I also triple insulated the loft space to keep the heat in and had Fibran insulation done externally when the house was built.

Hi Brian....do you run your pellet burner 24/7 at 200 lev a month? We pay around 320 lev a pallet of grade 1 pellets (1.2 tonnes I think) plus delivery around 60 lev so we bought 3 pallets and they have lasted us 2 winters and there will be a good bit still left over. I have never done a costing and be interested to know how long you can run yours at 200 lev and how big is the house/how many radiators?

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Postby brianj42 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:26 am

Hi Vicky

Good that you found the pellet boiler to be the best and most cost effective solution, I don't think I will ever revert to any other heating.

We buy pellets straight from the factory near us and its 200lvs a ton, we collect so there's no delivery. We also invested in a pellet making machine which we mix with the purchased pellets.

The secret I found is that I don't go for A grade pellets, I actually go down a class to B intentionally. Basically, they burn longer. The first year I had A grade and was going through 2 bags a day, with the B I go through about 1 and 1/4 but they DO produce the same heat.

As far as the house goes, we too have a log fire in the lounge which provides a huge amount of heat as the house is totally open plan with a cathedral ceiling and minstral gallery, so the heat from the log fires heats the upstairs instantly. 250sq mtrs house running 14 radiator and the house is never below 22 degrees.

It does help with it being a log house as it has very good thermal efficiency, and I did ensure the foundations and roof had more insulation that an Icelandic Sauna.

The more you insulate, the less energy you need to keep it warm. The next house we reckon we know have enough information to make it such that it "should" require virtually no heating . They are building them in the Nordics and UK now.....Ground Source Heat, Wind Turbine, Solar Panels.

That should get the Bulgi builders talking.

With the depletion of natural resources inevitable in the next decade, the cost of heating fuels will be premium, even pellets. Same with electric.

Brians tip for the next decade. OVER insulate the house and be as self sufficient as you can on power and heating......And you'll be laughing.


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Postby royalblew » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:41 pm

i like the sound of these pellet fires where can we buy them in bulgaria and where do i sourde pellets thanks for any information

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Postby brianj42 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:43 pm

Hi

Whats your location, then we can probably advise ?

I have a friend in Bansko who has a 12 bed hotel and just replaced his log heating boiler with a pellet. One happy bunny, now he fills it every 3 days rather than every 3 hours.

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Postby royalblew » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:51 pm

i live in nova zagora

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Postby scanniaman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:51 pm

hi, do you know if solar panels can be plumbed into pellet boilers to help provide hot water to the rads & taps or does the solar system have to be kept totally independent ? Any advice welcome.
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Postby seathrift » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:39 pm

scanniaman,
The pellet or any other boiler heats water which is then stored in a lagged tank. It should be quite easy to plumb another source of hot water into the same tank, but I am sure a heating man will tell you for definite.

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Postby scanniaman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:44 pm

Thanks for that seathrift, I'll ask around local for an engineer or may ask VickyC for her contact.
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Postby brianj42 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:55 pm

seathrift wrote:scanniaman,
The pellet or any other boiler heats water which is then stored in a lagged tank. It should be quite easy to plumb another source of hot water into the same tank, but I am sure a heating man will tell you for definite.


Perfectly right, but you can also get a pellet boiler (as we have) that just pumps round a closed system and no tank.


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