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Postby jinx57 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:58 am

driving is a better crack if you want to take stuff to UK and stock up on way back. Also can be made into a mini holiday if you take the ferry to Venice from Ignouminsta.

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Postby booboo » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:22 pm

qwerty wrote:Sorry guys, I just cant accept the price of a plane ticket as being a/the reason for leaving Bulgaria.

I try not to fly, I drive to Blighty and back once a year, I dont even know what a plane ticket costs, so I'll guess 200 quid???.....If 200 quid or even 250 is make or break for someone (I mean this really,really nicely) then they shouldnt really be living abroad in the first place.


Got to agree, and though in the face of the point of the post, why bother going back at all!

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Postby qwerty » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:30 pm

jinx57 wrote:driving is a better crack if you want to take stuff to UK and stock up on way back. Also can be made into a mini holiday if you take the ferry to Venice from Ignouminsta.


Those Greek ferrys are fab, went through Ignouminsta on the motorbike from Turkey to UK, fantastic trip, I never want to fly again...But yeah, its only 2 days driving to Blighty, no weight limit, well she does struggle on the hills when I've had more than 350kg in her :lol:

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Postby gordonroy43 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:03 pm

Just to say that people who rent themselves from owners are finding that flight costs to the BLACK SEA area are silly prices yes there are some that go for less, you have to look at PACKAGE holiday prices and doing it yourself with transfers/rental/flights for a family, other countries are a lot cheaper, VARNA - BOUGAS charge a lot more in fees to airlines or ryanair would be going to them.

We go for six weeks about and so can not use package fights as they only allow 14 days max, we did use BA.

Like anything if its cheap or average people go to those places.

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Postby shebry » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:51 am

I don't think it is anything to do with Airlines, Airports or prices I think it is more to do with the following
After doing a year of looking and investigating I said to my wife, we ought to invest in property in Bulgaria, the price is right, it's a sound investment and with them going into the EU there must be a future. That was five years ago. British Airways, Bulgarianair, Balkanair, Thomas Cook, Thompsons, Monarch etc, etc, all had flight's nearly every day into Varna and Bourgas and look now, Wizzair twice a week, take it or leave it
So perhaps many of us have made a big mistake and did the wrong thing by following the leader and reading to much in the newspapers and listening to much to the radio and watching TV advertisements
Anyway, we made our bed so we must lie in it and make the best of it, and let me just add here that even though we have had and still have nasty memories over the last four years with certain perpetrators who did their best to send us packing, we are still there, we have good friends there, we love our villa and we like the village folk who are keeping a watchful eye on our property and us and our guests when we are all there so we are making the best out of a bad job and we live in hope that we will be allowed to enjoy the future 8) :partyman:

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Postby devondumpling » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:36 am

All through posts on this matter, I've said if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. All of a sudden, I'm really cross - not because of the heat, but the cold, and not the weather, but the wretched electricity! Some work is being done and they know when they are turning it off, but we don't, and I had my Christmas cake in the oven! Ruined! There have been occasions in the past when we have been forewarned about cut-offs, but I haven't seen any notices in the village this time. Grrrrrr.

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Postby flowers » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:14 am

here here shebry
agree what what your saying, i bought for exactley the same reasons as you,
and i intend to enjoy my house in bulgaria no matter what
no one will tale my dream away either,,
can't wait to retire and live my dream,
i didn;t make mistake buying property in bulgaria it was investmant for my retirement,,
but i knew i had to wait untill my pension kicked in,
i think lots of people thought they could make a living out there and found they couldn't,

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Postby tomkin » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:52 am

Hi Folks

I have read this thread from start to finish and I think the op has had the question answered in so many ways.

I have a different take on this

We have been here in BG for nearly 7 years and we are likely to remain here. The reason we will remain here is that we are trapped. We do not have the means to return to the UK and re-establish ourselves and at 50 plus have less opportunities in the UK than we would have had when we were younger. We were not fortunate enough to be able to afford to maintain a base in the UK and move abroad and so burnt our bridges

We came here looking for a new way of living and for 3 years we really enjoyed our life. The excitement of settling into and westernising our house, setting out our veg plot and integrating into the local community kept us absorbed and entertained. But then as the novelty wore off and we accomplished most of the things we set out to do, the reality of what we had done set in. Read down for an explanation.

Seven years on and we would like to return to the UK if we could and the reasons for this?

First and foremost it is about quality of life. By quality of life I am not referring to how comfortable our house is and whether we have enough food to eat and can drive a car and pay the bills. For me, quality of life is also and probably more importantly about the social aspects. It is about family and lifelong friends and using your native language to communicate properly. The longer we have been here the more we miss being able to pop down the road to visit family. We miss our old friends. Our grandchildren dont really know who we are etc etc.

Unfortunately despite being able to communicate reasonably in Bulgarian and trying very hard to integrate into the local community we have not been able to replicate the social aspects of our life in the UK. In fact the longer we have been here the more we have shut ourselves off. Bulgaria is a beautiful country but in general and with a few exceptions- the Bulgarians in this part (South Eastern/Yambol) of Bulgaria have turned out to be extremely dislikeable people.

We have found them to be fundamentally an arrogant, selfish, cruel and heartless race when you get beyond the initial hospitality they show. They then start to rip you off - which according to them is ingrained and accepted and they do it to each other as well. What it boils down to (and this became apparent when we started to speak enough Bulgarian to communicate with them) is that they have no compassion. They do not care about their animals, they have no respect for the land and we have witnessed on many occaisions that they do not care about each other. And that is the ugly undertone to this beautiful country. I have to say that it is not Bulgaria alone but right across Southern Europe and into Greece and Turkey.

Yes I know all you wise people that like to sit behind your computers and "sound off" will accuse me of making sweeping statements but I am absolutely convinced that these people have a fundamentally different psychological makeup to mine and never the twain shall meet.

So we have tried befriending the Brit population over here without too much success. The Brits in our village are rarely sober and reasonably sane Brits seem to be few and far between

For those of you thinking of coming here for the climate. If you want to spend a good part of the year trapped indoors because it is either too hot at 40 plus degrees or too cold at minus 17 then please do.

The life we have here ticks all of the boxes we set out to acheive when we moved away. But without family and friends around it eventually becomes a rather isolated and somewhat pitiful existence. If I ever manage to find a way out of this place, these are the reasons I will be leaving.

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Postby gimlet » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:31 am

In fact the longer we have been here the more we have shut ourselves off. Bulgaria is a beautiful country but in general and with a few exceptions- the Bulgarians in this part (South Eastern/Yambol) of Bulgaria have turned out to be extremely dislikeable people.

We have found them to be fundamentally an arrogant, selfish, cruel and heartless race when you get beyond the initial hospitality they show.


I think that assessment is quite rational and evidence based and something one should bear in mind. There are good and bad in every country (blah, blah, blah) but not necessarily in the same proportions. Peoples are the product of their history and environment.

I am sure that if you put your mind to it you will find a way back and I wish you well.

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Postby Inge » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:59 am

Tomkin, I have a great deal of empathy with your post as I agreed with all the points you raised. I sometimes wonder whether the drinking culture of the Brits has developed here since they realised what life was like and getting blattered cut out the reality.
We have learned Bulgarian enough to understand what people are saying to us and that is not always an advantage as we discovered recently. Earlier this year, the apartment next door had a burst pipe and the water was streaming under their door into the communal hallway and down the stairs. We spent 4 hours helping them bail out the water while their adult son sat on the stairs talking to his girlfriend on his mobile. This week, the owner (who does not speak English) returned (he works abroad) and left all the communal lights on 24/7. We suggested that when they werent needed, the lights should be turned off. He replied that if we couldnt afford the bills we should fxxx off back to the UK and told us to shut up you bxxxxxxx when we spoke to him in Bulgarian, while at the same time informing us that if we lived in Bulgaria, we should speak Bulgarian. And this from a neighbour we had helped, not just a passer-by. It doesnt really make you want to learn the culture of a place.
Howeverr, although I agree that it can be a problem finding people of a like mind to socialise with here, in VT for example, there are art and pottery classes, and most of the villages seem to have some sort of choir and our village choir has been very welcoming, unlike the neighbour in the city apartment.
We have worked around the world for the last decade or so and dont really have any family to speak of in the UK, but Britain has changed beyond recall and I dont think I would want to return anyway. Even the NHS is a gamble depending on the area it serves or the age of the patient.


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